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Nov 17, 2007, 09:28 PM // 21:28	#81
Azael Durge Academy Page Join Date: Sep 2007 Guild: MIST Profession: N/	Good or evil im not sure about, but one thing is for sure, the charr would make a nice rug to sit in front of my fire. I wonder what charr meat tastes like?

Nov 18, 2007, 10:13 AM // 10:13	#82
\|pyro\| Wilds Pathfinder Join Date: Jun 2006 Profession: Me/	Before you say if Charr are good or evil, define good, when is somebody doing something good?

Nov 18, 2007, 11:26 PM // 23:26	#83
KalleDamos Lion's Arch Merchant Join Date: May 2007	Plain and simple, its all about view point. Because many played on the side of ascalon, they veiw the humans in the right. However, if you look at it differently, from the charr's side, they may be in the right in there own sense. So it all a matter of which side you play because all sides are biased to their own oppinion. So yeah, still the charr are great for target practice. So may not see many charr characters of mine in the near future.

Dec 30, 2007, 08:29 AM // 08:29	#84
Vicks Academy Page Join Date: Jul 2006 Location: RIGHT HERE! —›• Guild: Flaming Turtles Profession: W/E	I got one thing to say about this whole "are the Charr evil?" thing: Garfaz Steelfur! "Greetings, human! Have no fear! If we encounter demons you can hide behind me. They won't lay a claw on you!"

Jan 10, 2008, 10:46 PM // 22:46	#85
Fangclaw Frost Gate Guardian Join Date: Jan 2008 Location: Maguuma Jungle / Tarnished Coast Profession: R/	I believe that Charr arent as bad as they are depicted... As said before, we've only met their military. Plus, if your whole race had been worshipping evil fiery ''gods'' for a few centuries it would be hard to break the old patterns and the traditions already in place. That said, I believe Charr can be ''Evil'' by human standards (Gwen apart); or maybe the Ascalonians are just being blind themselves, still blaming the Charr for The Searing... After all, They have been figthing The Charr all this time... In a way, The Charr are like the Orcs from the Warcraft universe.

Jan 11, 2008, 08:00 AM // 08:00	#86
Mark Nevermiss Krytan Explorer Join Date: Jul 2006	The Charr "nation" ARE the military. - They are morons, destroying 70% of what they perceive as their homeland to spite the Ascalonians. - They are brutish savages and a threat to every other nation. They did not just attack Ascalon [which we may have understood their reasons for] They attacked Norn-land, Kryta, Orr and who knows where else? - They are only strong because they have overwhelming numbers. Look at them in the Cathedral of Flames. Torn to shreds by the undead and begging for our help. If there had been an option to aid Murakai I'd have gone for it. -They treat their prisoners worse than animals and sacrifice them for their amusement.

Jan 11, 2008, 01:44 PM // 13:44	#87
Sirius-NZ Wilds Pathfinder Join Date: Oct 2007 Location: Bellevue, WA (I know ... but I moved out of NZ) Guild: Xen of Onslaught Profession: D/	The Charr are barbaric and vindictive, certainly. For some, that may be part of the charm (although I reserve the right to steer clear of you in real life if so!), but it undermines their effectiveness in the end.

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Jan 11, 2008, 07:39 PM // 19:39

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The Charr "nation" ARE the military.

How can you be so sure? It might be now (or not), but in 250 years things can change.

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- They are morons, destroying 70% of what they perceive as their homeland to spite the Ascalonians.

The Ascalonians lived in that part of territory for a few centuries; at war, anything goes right? If humans had the power to cause a Searing, wouldnt they use it on the Charr?

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- They are brutish savages and a threat to every other nation. They did not just attack Ascalon [which we may have understood their reasons for] They attacked Norn-land, Kryta, Orr and who knows where else?

They were used by the Titans and Abbadon, I dont think they want to destroy anything more then Ascalon now, though I'll give you that they view themselves as superior to other races; but arent all races like that, and not just the Charr?

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- They are only strong because they have overwhelming numbers.

Then how the heck did Pyre's warband and the rebels survive this long?

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-They treat their prisoners worse than animals and sacrifice them for their amusement.

To them, their prisoners are nothing but meat, I'll concede, but would Ascalonians go easy on Charr prisoners? Wouldnt they do the same? War Prisoners arent treated nicely, because thats what they are, captured enemy soldiers! If they did treat their prisoners worse then animals, they would kill and eat them, not just keep them alive!

Most of the things your talking about happened during Titan/Shaman rule. We dont know for sure what will happen now that they are free.

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Jan 12, 2008, 11:08 AM // 11:08	#89
-Makai- Jungle Guide Join Date: May 2007 Location: WA Guild: DH Profession: Rt/	The Charr may enslave and consume humans, but at least they don't wear them (i.e. Charr warrior armor).

Jan 12, 2008, 11:11 AM // 11:11	#90
Sirius-NZ Wilds Pathfinder Join Date: Oct 2007 Location: Bellevue, WA (I know ... but I moved out of NZ) Guild: Xen of Onslaught Profession: D/	That's precisely what the Charr do, though (eating/torturing/etc prisoners; Gwen's BMP mission took place where they were feeding prisoners to a devourer from memory). It is pretty much as low as you can go. Ascalonians would be unlikely to spare the Charr much any more, but I suspect they'd sooner execute all the Charr they captured than play games with them. Or eat them. Heh. Before the searing, they tended to think of the Charr as lesser creatures, and I'm not sure they would have felt it necessary to perform a searing of their own, even if they could. Post-searing, definitely. There is no love lost at all between Ascalonians and Charr now. Not all races are a threat to every other nation; the Forgotten certainly aren't (if they ever were), and the Centaurs, Naga and Tengu have very well-defined enemies. Then again, the Charr show little inclination of trying to pull off world domination any more either, without the Titans forcing their way.

Jan 12, 2008, 07:03 PM // 19:03	#91
Eldin Forge Runner Join Date: Dec 2005 Location: America. How about you, commie? Guild: Fellows of Mythgar [FOM] Profession: R/Mo	Primarily the Shaman Caste, and, in turn, their "Gods" are leading the Charr this way. The Charr seem much like the WarCraft orcs - a higher power had led them to commit atrocities, and now the whole world hates them, though there are some who wish to leave those darker times behind and move on. The Charr we play as in GW2 will probably be like Pyre's - against the Shaman Caste.

Jan 12, 2008, 09:12 PM // 21:12	#92
Mark Nevermiss Krytan Explorer Join Date: Jul 2006	Pyre himself said it: Some Charr are more evil than others.

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Jan 14, 2008, 07:29 AM // 07:29

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That's precisely what the Charr do, though (eating/torturing/etc prisoners; Gwen's BMP mission took place where they were feeding prisoners to a devourer from memory). It is pretty much as low as you can go.

My impression of Gwen's story was that they used prisoners as entertainment. Much like the Romans did. Capture some people, herd them into an arena, release a bunch of beasts upon them, eat snacks and watch in amusement.

Someone already mentioned Garfaz Steelfur as one Charr that wasn't *evil*. On the contrary, he was being protective over us "mice". But there is one more Charr imprisoned in Realm of Torment - Scorch Emberspire. I remember doing his quest for the first time ever - I felt so sorry for him. He looked more like an abbandoned kitten than a furry beast.

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Jan 14, 2008, 10:08 AM // 10:08	#94
Sirius-NZ Wilds Pathfinder Join Date: Oct 2007 Location: Bellevue, WA (I know ... but I moved out of NZ) Guild: Xen of Onslaught Profession: D/	Oh, there's definitely been some reference to Charr eating prisoners, but I doubt all of them would do it. Garfaz Steelfur is certainly an exception as well, although exactly how common his sort is is anyone's guess.

Jan 14, 2008, 11:35 AM // 11:35	#95
Solus Spartan Krytan Explorer Join Date: May 2007 Location: Australia Guild: [Lawl] Profession: Mo/	The entire world is evil then. Charr worship different religions, they invade to expand. Yes they are rather cruel, but there are cases in all races of this occuring. Charr may be evil from the asaclonians point of view, but not from their's.

Jan 15, 2008, 09:44 AM // 09:44	#96
arsie Wilds Pathfinder Join Date: Jun 2007 Profession: N/	Why wouldn't Charr treat humans as meat? They are carnivores, humans are a different species. Some individual specimens of tigers have been known to have a sort of friendship with certain humans, but the rest of the tiger population sure as hell treat us as walking meat.

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Jan 15, 2008, 03:08 PM // 15:08

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Why wouldn't Charr treat humans as meat? They are carnivores, humans are a different species.

The same way we wouldn't start eating an intelligent alien species. Or in game, we don't eat the charr.

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Jan 29, 2008, 01:40 AM // 01:40	#98
Konig Des Todes Ooo, pretty flower Join Date: Jan 2008 Location: Citadel of the Decayed Guild: The Archivists' Sanctum [Lore] Profession: N/	Due to the amount of posts, i have not read them all yet, so if I state something that has been stated, my apologies. My view on the charr is this, they have always loved a challenge much like the charr except they have less honor doesnt mean no honor. Also, since the Ascalonians took their lands, it seems reasonable to try to take them back happens all the time in real life, why not in a game? One perfect example is Israel, both sides of the war believe the land is their, the Israelites (their land by ancestry, like the charr) and the muslims (their land because they've lived their for the past so and so hundred years, liek the Ascalonians). In terms of their "Victory at any cost" I would have to agree with that, at least to some extent. I don't think they would want a victory if it will cost them their life yes I know, burntsoul unleashed the destroyers that would have killed him, but he was in a corner and there was no way out for him really, so why not take your enemies with you? Also, I think that he went mad with power, as many leaders do. I'm sure I have more on this topic, but I cannot think about it at the moment, will post more later.

Jan 29, 2008, 11:36 PM // 23:36	#99
Konig Des Todes Ooo, pretty flower Join Date: Jan 2008 Location: Citadel of the Decayed Guild: The Archivists' Sanctum [Lore] Profession: N/	For the charr being good or evil in GW2. I just have 3 things. First, I think the Charr has a good enough reason to hate humans, humans stole HALF of their land, if not more. Second, the Charr have as shown in the PCGamer GW issue been a survival of the fittest race. Third, a LOT can happen in 250 years, so their opinion about humans can change, for the better or the worse.

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Jan 30, 2008, 12:54 AM // 00:54

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I like to think of the Charr as a cross between the Klingons of Star Trek and the Orcs of LotR. They're similar to orcs because they have no honor and will use dirty tricks whenever it suits them, but they're like Klingons in that they love fighting and war. I know, the Klingon resemblance is hard to see because Klingons are all about honor, but if you can picture a Klingon that has no sense of honor, then I think that would be the Charr.

Really, I see the Charr as the anti-human. They're almost completely opposite of us. As such, I don't think anyone will ever try to play them to be the hero, but rather to be the anti-hero. Anyone familiar with comics should definitely know what I mean. Venom (from Spider-man) was portrayed as an anti-hero for a long time.

Basically, that sums up the role that I think the Charr players will fulfill in GW2 -- the anti-hero. They're not villains anymore, but they're not quite heroes yet either, they're anti-heroes. They do good when it suits them.

Picture a typical party that has one character of every race, and you'll likely see the human as the leader, the Asuran as the brainiac, the Norn as the warrior, the Sylvari as the voice of reason, and the Charr as the obnoxious jerk who no one wants around but no one can do without due to the skillset he brings to the table.

Here's another way to think of it. The Asurans balance out the Norn. The Sylvari balance out the Charr. And the humans are balanced already because we always manage to span the personality gamut.

THAT SUMS ME UP BABY!! My first class is gonna be a charr in gw2 and im gonna kick all the little humans azzezzzzzzz

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